"The Line Between Contraception and Abortion" Comment

I just posted the message below (posted at 12/19/2008 10:47 PM EST). Since I spent so much time on it, I thought it should be posted here.

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I just joined this group. I first have a few websites that may be of interest, and then I'll respond to some of the more recent comments.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/dec/08121704.html
Full Text of Cherie Blair Speech at Angelicum: Sticks to Support for Contraception, Dodges Abortion Question

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/sep/06091507.html
UK Abortion Rates Continue to Climb Despite Increasing Emergency Contraception Use
In fact pregnancy and abortion rates continue to rise in the UK

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2004_docs/contraceptionmisconception.htm
The Contraception Misconception
By Natalie Hudson

World's Most Successful AIDS Prevention Programme in Uganda "Sabotaged" by Western "Experts"
Western advisors used their control of international funding to force a change in direction to condoms and casual sex
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jul/08071112.html

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OK.

From:Re: "sweating the small stuff"
posted at 12/19/2008 7:05 PM EST
"And I saw/see the Church's Teaching on contraception as an ideal (perhaps) to strive to achieve, but mostly as an issue of "control" over Church members by Church officials who lacked any "standing" to dictate to the members what they might and might not (lawfully) do with their bodies."

So, are the 10 commandments an ideal? The Church to which one belongs has a duty to tell their followers what is right and wrong. If one goes off the path, they must *repent*, not tell the Truth tellers to go away or ignore them.

Until 1930, all Christian Churches did not allow contraception. See here http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9704word.asp.

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"Vatican Roulette"
posted at 12/19/2008 8:00 PM EST
"It is, but it is considered "natural" contraception, while birth control pills, condoms, intra uterine devices are considered to be "unnatural" methods of contraception.

Many of us refer to the "rhythm method" by its popular name: "Vatican Roulette" ... kinda like "Russian Roulette" - you never quite know when the bullet will make its way through the gun barrel and hit its target."

This is incorrect. The "rhythm method" is not contraception since one is still able to naturally get pregnant. There is no device or chemical that is used but only abstinence for a time. However, this method is only licit if there is no contraceptive mentality present (see http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2004_docscontraceptionmisconception.htm The Contraception Misconception By Natalie Hudson).

Further, the rhythm method is old. The new version is NFP (http://www.ccli.org/nfp).

Lastly, babies aren't bullets, they are gifts of God.

(FYI: all protestants until 1930 and many now are anti-contraception. See
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9704word.asp PROTESTANTS AGAINST CONTRACEPTION and http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9707word.asp CONTRACEPTION REVISITED)

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Re: sparrow4
posted at 12/19/2008 8:43 PM EST

"I'm neither a lawmaker to create laws for you nor a law enforcement officer to punish you for breaking those laws. I was merely responding to your pro-abortion arguments from a scientific perspective."

And what other perspective is there besides the scientific perspective that can be used to convince everyone (esp. Americans)?

How about a liberal perspective? (http://wonderingzygoteemeritus.blogspot.com/2008/07/i-already-started-putting-up-my-old.html?showComment=1217484660000) Abortion is contra social justice, inclusion, and progressiveness.

How about Margaret Sanger's perspective (founder of Planned Par.)?
"http://www.prowomanprolife.org/2008/12/15/woah-talk-about-mission-creep/
Woah–talk about mission creep
Published by Andrea Mrozek
But there I learned that Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, had this to say about abortion (from Wikipedia):
Sanger notes that her 1916 opposition to abortion was based on the taking of life: “To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun.""

(I argue some above and below how contraception leads to abortion.)

How about the Decl. of independence? "When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

When are we "created equal"?

How about the (UN) Universal Declaration of Human Rights Perspective (http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html ; do a search on "family" in this document)?

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world...

Isn't a human zygote part of "the human family"? What's freedom without the basic right to life?

Further, contraception (that will eventually fail and also leads to the objectification of women) leads to abortion since the men that impregnate women refuse to support women and their children (often outside of marriage). Women need to gain power to say no to men's advances and live in freedom (http://www.firstthings.com/article.php3?id_article=4077) and to live peacefully in marriage for themselves and their children and husband (without objectification).

Lastly, from http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=10904 and http://wonderingzygoteemeritus.blogspot.com/2008/07/new-evangelization-contrasted.html, “Given my background, the Catholic idea that we are always to treat the sexual act with awe and respect, so much so that we should simply abstain if we are opposed to its life-giving potential, was a revolutionary message. Being able to consider honestly when life begins, to open my heart and mind to the wonder and dignity of even the tiniest of my fellow human beings, was not fully possible for me until I understood the nature of the act that creates these little lives in the first place.” Jennifer Fulwiler, she converted to Catholicism from atheism in 2007

Interesting Quotes I

I've been busy with Christmas things with the families (my wife and mine), so I haven't had time to sit down and write much. Did do some surfing though. I have a few quotes from articles I liked.

What do you think of them?

Did I mention I like Chuck Norris even more now.


Atheists' National Holiday?

by Chuck Norris

As Benjamin Franklin [a Deist, gbm3] noted in his 1787 pamphlet for those in Europe thinking of relocating to America: "To this may be truly added, that serious religion, under its various denominations, is not only tolerated but respected and practiced. Atheism is unknown there."
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What profit would there be if I posted that atheism hides behind a false pretense that it is scientific when eminent scientist Paul Davies -- the renowned British-born physicist, agnostic and professor of cosmology, quantum field theory and astrobiology -- once spoke against the certainty of atheism to Time magazine (in the column "Science, God, and Man"): "Agnosticism -- reserving judgment about divine purpose -- remains as defensible as ever, but atheism -- the confident denial of divine purpose -- becomes trickier. If you admit that we can't peer behind a curtain, how can you be sure there's nothing there?"
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George Washington's farewell address: "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens."

This was posted on a comment section of newsweek.washingtonpost.com at December 17, 2008 10:50 AM.

"Marriage is neither a conservative nor a liberal issue; it is a universal human institution, guaranteeing children fathers, and pointing men and women toward a special kind of socially as well as personally fruitful sexual relationship. Gay marriage is the final step down a long road America has already traveled toward deinstitutionalizing, denuding and privatizing marriage. It would set in legal stone some of the most destructive ideas of the sexual revolution: There are no differences between men and women that matter, marriage has nothing to do with procreation, children do not really need mothers and fathers, the diverse family forms adults choose are all equally good for children. What happens in my heart is that I know the difference. Don't confuse my people, who have been the victims of deliberate family destruction, by giving them another definition of marriage."

Walter Fauntroy-Former DC Delegate to Congress Founding member of the Congressional Black Caucus Coordinator for Martin Luther King, Jr.'s march on DC

Is this perhaps one of the reasons why a super-majority of California black voters voted for Prop. 8?

Prop. 8 Comment II

I tried to post the following about Prop. 8 on Ales Rarus here, but I keep getting spam/error messages:

It's been a few weekends Peter since you last commented above. Do you have any responses to my comments? Thanks.

Also, for discussion, see the videos below (on YouTube; I hope they imbed correctly).

Here.



and here.



They are from people from CA.

(I got the videos here at a good Catholic online magazine Godspy. "GODSPY is an online magazine for Catholics and other seekers.")

Thanks.

Québecois, te souviens-tu?

It’s about time: a part of Québec finally gets it. The mayor of the Québec city of Saguenay, Jean Tremblay gets it. With the rise of secularism, the Culture of Death has been inculcated in the people of Québec and Canada. Québec is about 95% Catholic and has forgotten its roots. Suicide (self/life-hatred), abortion (child-hatred), and sexual perversion (God-hatred) have gutted the perpetuation of Québec (Catholic) culture (Ma grande-grande-grande mère était québecoise). It’s not just about keeping the French language vibrant. Stand up and pray that The Blossoming of Canada will start with Catholic Québec. Amen. (Most of the links above came from Lifesitenews.com.)

UPDATE (1-7-09):
This is a very good analysis of this song and the culture of Québec.

Prop. 8 Comment

I wrote the following at Ales Rarus today:


This quote is telling from lifesitenews.com regarding the legal issue of CA:

[Pacific Justice Institute president Brad Dacus] believes the ongoing vandalism and protests against Prop. 8 will backfire. He noted, "Californians are among the most tolerant people in the world. They are also not stupid, and they deliberately rejected forced acceptance of gay marriage, while leaving in place domestic partnerships and a host of other special rights based for homosexuals."

The "marriage" definition question of Prop 8 is just a revision (under CA law). There are many "domestic partnerships" laws in place. The definition of marriage is only a revision since the "rights", ie money matters, of "domestic partnerships" are in place in CA.

This whole debate is about whether CA legitimizes same-sex "marriage". (I think it should not for these reasons.) Further, it is not a debate whether law enforcement officers should go around arresting those in "domestic partnerships".

When you get down to it, what's the uproar really about? A very important word: marriage.

I watched part of the interview with M. Ethridge (sp) and her "partner" on Oprah today. They were sitting on a couch as a "married couple". What will they get if Prop. 8 is struck down? They will get no more money or property rights. They will get legitimacy for their relationship as a "married couple".

The voters of CA spoke with their vote: they do not legitimize their relationship as such.

(Of course this is only about CA. It's not my state, but it is a State issue.)

gbm3

Hail Emperor Palpatine!

From the Witherspoon Institute’s “Public Discourse” Website by Robert George entitled "Obama's Abortion Extremism":

[Senator Obama] has co-sponsored a bill-strongly opposed by McCain-that would authorize the large-scale industrial production of human embryos for use in biomedical research in which they would be killed. In fact, the bill Obama co-sponsored would effectively require the killing of human beings in the embryonic stage that were produced by cloning. It would make it a federal crime for a woman to save an embryo by agreeing to have the tiny developing human being implanted in her womb so that he or she could be brought to term. This "clone and kill" bill would, if enacted, bring something to America that has heretofore existed only in China-the equivalent of legally mandated abortion. In an audacious act of deceit, Obama and his co-sponsors misleadingly call this an anti-cloning bill. But it is nothing of the kind. What it bans is not cloning, but allowing the embryonic children produced by cloning to survive.

Who is Emperor Palpatine? Every Star Wars fan knows who he is, but not being a Star Wars fan myself, let me lay out some basic details for clarity (I’m sure Star Wars fans will correct me if I’m wrong on any of the fictional facts).

Before becoming Emperor Palpatine, he was Senator Palpatine. When the Chancellor of the Republic had a vote of no confidence, Senator Palpatine became Chancellor. While Chancellor, a clone army was commissioned indirectly by Palpatine (cloned off one individual Jango Fett). During a type of civil war, the clone army killed almost all the Jedi. After some time, Chancellor Palpatine of the Galactic Republic became Emperor Palpatine of the Galactic Empire.

Before becoming President (elect) Obama, he was (Junior) Senator Obama. When President (W.) Bush had a very low approval rating, Senator Obama became (Super Senator) President. It is very possible that during his term(s) in office, President Obama will “authorize the large-scale industrial production of human embryos for use in biomedical research in which they would be killed.”

The rest is to be played out (it is already written, but we are to try to stop it by speaking out).

Hail Emperor Palpatine!

"So this is how liberty dies—with thunderous applause." ―Padmé Amidala

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” -Thomas Jefferson

FOCA Animation Part 2

Below is part two of the FOCA animation.

FOCA Animation Part 1

Please see the videos below. Email otaaac@yahoo.com with "I am otaaac" (without the underlining of otaaac) in the subject line if you would like to produce an animation, live action, or combination video of parts that have been already written.

Note: Sen. Obama co-sponsored this Act that will eliminate all state laws that limit abortion.





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